than I on the subject.
I've been looking at the drawings of the 'man-stopper bullet' from Mr. Webley. I know how you can cast hollow base or hollow nose bullets, but I'm thinking that a bullet with both would most likely have to be swaged; am I correct on this?
If I am, it makes it less likely I'll be able to get hold of some, because I have little interest in setting up to swage bullets. Among other things, I'm thinking having the dies made would be a bit on the expensive side.
Thursday, October 26, 2006
Not exactly my definition of 'hot stuff'
but according to Sheik Hilali, hot women are like a dish of meat left out for the cat to find. Or something like that. You expect actual sense from a BPM?
This idiots method of preventing rape: If the woman is in her boudoir, in her house and if she’s wearing the veil and if she shows modesty, disasters don’t happen. Sure, honey, just stay in the house, wrapped in a tent, in your room, and all will be well. Unless you don't like being a friggin' prisoner, of course.
Take a look. While you're there, scroll on around, Tim Blair comes up with a lot worth looking at.
This idiots method of preventing rape: If the woman is in her boudoir, in her house and if she’s wearing the veil and if she shows modesty, disasters don’t happen. Sure, honey, just stay in the house, wrapped in a tent, in your room, and all will be well. Unless you don't like being a friggin' prisoner, of course.
Take a look. While you're there, scroll on around, Tim Blair comes up with a lot worth looking at.
First one's what the enviroweenies plan for all of us
From the Telegraph, we find this:
4x4 drivers face £300 bill to park outside home
Millions of drivers of sports cars and 4x4s face hefty charges to park outside their own homes under a scheme being pioneered by a local council.
Town hall chiefs across the country were said last night to be closely watching a move by Liberal Democrats in Richmond upon Thames, south-west London, to target the owners of so-called "gas-guzzlers".
So for the 'privilege' of parking in front of your house, if you have a vehicle the weenies don't approve of, they council wants to charge you up to, I think it converts to about $450-500. And here's the "We HAVE to!" from the local council weenie:
Serge Lourie, the council leader, said: "Climate change is the single greatest challenge facing the world today. We can no longer bury our heads in the sand and pretend that it is not happening.
"For too long it has been seen as a problem that only central governments or international organisations could address. The truth is that we must all start acting now at local level."
By screwing the taxpayers again and more.
The other is just for the fun of it:Scots' plan for England as radioactive dustbin
SCOTLAND’S First Minister has said that one of the benefits of remaining part of the UK is that the country can continue to dump its nuclear waste in England.
Whee, English that glow in the dark so you can shoot them at night!
4x4 drivers face £300 bill to park outside home
Millions of drivers of sports cars and 4x4s face hefty charges to park outside their own homes under a scheme being pioneered by a local council.
Town hall chiefs across the country were said last night to be closely watching a move by Liberal Democrats in Richmond upon Thames, south-west London, to target the owners of so-called "gas-guzzlers".
So for the 'privilege' of parking in front of your house, if you have a vehicle the weenies don't approve of, they council wants to charge you up to, I think it converts to about $450-500. And here's the "We HAVE to!" from the local council weenie:
Serge Lourie, the council leader, said: "Climate change is the single greatest challenge facing the world today. We can no longer bury our heads in the sand and pretend that it is not happening.
"For too long it has been seen as a problem that only central governments or international organisations could address. The truth is that we must all start acting now at local level."
By screwing the taxpayers again and more.
The other is just for the fun of it:Scots' plan for England as radioactive dustbin
SCOTLAND’S First Minister has said that one of the benefits of remaining part of the UK is that the country can continue to dump its nuclear waste in England.
Whee, English that glow in the dark so you can shoot them at night!
Wednesday, October 25, 2006
See? I did NOT forget the bumper
Not completely. Just took 'till today for me to have the truck, and the time to shoot it, AND to remember to haul my ass outside and shoot it.
This one is a heavy stamped-steel bumper with a rubber or plastic coating. Which both means no glare off chrome and no rust from scratches and dings. It's held up nicely so far. My previous truck's bumper was chromed but otherwise identical and was still good after fourteen years, so this one I'd expect to last as well.
This one is a heavy stamped-steel bumper with a rubber or plastic coating. Which both means no glare off chrome and no rust from scratches and dings. It's held up nicely so far. My previous truck's bumper was chromed but otherwise identical and was still good after fourteen years, so this one I'd expect to last as well.
Gun show report
And one of my remaining dream finds found
Now that I've mostly recovered(yeah, I'm a wimp) and have some time, the basic would be that the Wanenmacher show is a very, very nice show. They advertised about 3900 tables, and I believe it. Guns, parts, accessories, tools, knives, more tools & parts, books and surplus gear. Unlike last year I didn't stock up on ammo, though I picked up a few bits & pieces there. Mostly I was looking for parts for the M1 Carbine receiver, some replacement screwdriver bits and other things like that.
On the Carbine, every part you can think of was indeed available, but I've got to say this: the price of GI-production barrels is officially insane. I saw one Inland barrel (in very good shape externally but a bullet would slip into the muzzle all the way to the case) priced at $350. If the damn thing was new in the wrapper, maybe; no way in hell it was worth near that much in that condition. Some others were anywhere from $150-250, with much less muzzle wear. I'd hoped to find an Inland barrel to go with the receiver, but at those prices it ain't gonna happen.
Now to the find: I'm now the owner of a Webley Mk VI revolver
chambered for the, as Kim puts it, manly .455 Webley cartridge.Unfortunately, yes, the cylinder is cut, but that's the big reason I could afford it; those with uncut cylinders run about twice what I paid for this one. The bore is bright with very strong rifling, the barrel & frame lock up without any play or slop, and the cylinder locks up like a bank vault. I saw one other for a bit less, but the barrel/frame lockup wasn't as tight as this one.
Monday was partly devoted to detail-stripping this and cleaning and lubing. I've torn down/helped with several Enfield and Webley revolvers, and the thing they all had in common was being dry inside, no trace of any lube. Cleaned and oiled(greased where appropriate) they've all proven to have smooth actions and light, clean single-action triggers(in those pistols that had single-action capability). And it's a very simple design inside. In the case of the Mk VI, the 'V' mainspring delivers power to the hammer and rebounds the trigger; the only other springs are one in the cam that works the ejector and the one that tensions the single-action sear. A very robust design.
Sights are a front post that's locked into the base with a screw(I've seen sight blades marked for the range they were sized for) and a wide 'V' rear that's actually part of the barrel latch. It should be noted that they did make target versions of this pistol which had adjustable rear sights.
Last couple of days I've done more research on this cartridge, which included finding this page of British revolver cartridge data if you want the entire rundown. Short version, this cartridge originally fired a 265-grain bullet of 12 parts lead and 1 part tin loaded to 700 fps. That, I would say, would leave a mark. There were several modifications over time, and at the time this pistol was made the standard was a flat-nose hollow-base bullet at about 650fps. One thing I'd like to note is that in 1898 this cartridge was produced with 'Thomas Webley's patented man-stopping bullet'
cast in 12 parts lead to 1 part tin. Now THAT would leave a mark. The record notes:Patented by Thomas Webley in 1897. It had a conical cavity in the nose which was to aid expansion, and the outer radius (of the nose) was slightly chamfered to aid initial penetration. This design was meant to increase stopping power when non-vital parts of the body was hit. It appears to have worked too, as the Mk III round was withdrawn from service because of it´s "over-effectiveness". I would tend to wonder, how can a combat bullet be 'over-effective'? In any case, that hollow base would also let the bullet swage out to fit the bore, which would help explain the reputation for accuracy of this pistol/cartridge.
I mentioned the cylinder was cut. At the start of WWII, when the Brits were desperate for any firearm that would go bang a lot of these were dug out of the armories for use. However, there was a shortage of the ammo for them, and no way to take manufacturing capacity from other cartridges to make them. So, since they could get lots of .45acp ammo from us, the cylinders/extractors had a little milled off the back; this made enough room for .45acp in spring-steel clips to be used. Accuracy suffered as the bullet of our .45 was of a bit smaller diameter, but it worked. So now it's not easy to find either a pistol with or an uncut cylinder alone, and the prices are high.
Fast forward, and a lot of these revolvers are on the market. You can shoot them with .45acp and clips, but if you don't want to do that there was a problem: .455 Webley ammo or brass was hard to get and expensive. Answer to this was to create the .45 Auto Rim, basically the acp case with a very thick rim
Auto Rim case on the left here. The rim engages the extractor properly, and the thickness fills in the space for the clip.
So you can set up to shoot it, but there's still a problem, the different bullet diameters. Which means not only is a standard .45acp bullet too small but the case is a bit smaller in diameter, too. I wanted to give this one a try before I wrote this so I did the same thing as I did for the .380 Enfield revolver: cast the bullet and don't size it, just lube with Lee Liquid Alox. I cast some 230-grain ball and 200-grain flat-nose, and this method gave me bullets of .455 in the ball and .453 in the flat-nose. I dug up some load information and put these in the Auto Rim cases with a suitable charge of Unique and this morning took it to the range.
Note: I've read everything from "It's perfectly safe to shoot with standard .45acp ball" to "You're a fool if you shoot it with .45acp". I've got a bunch of full-moon clips, and I'll use them with handloads kept to about the same pressure-velocity levels as the original cartridge, but mostly I plan to use the Auto Rim cases to load this.
Overall a very smooth action with, as I said, a clean and light single-action pull. I couldn't set up the chronograph so I'll have to check the velocity of the loads later. I boiled down to this: first target was fired single-action at about fifteen yards with the 200-grain loads:
(the hole an inch south & a bit east should be ignored; yes, there is a reason)
The second target was fired double-action at seven yards with the 230-grain loads, all fired in about five seconds:
Overall, I'm very happy with this thing. These groups in a dimly lit range with sights designed for fast acquisition, not precise marksmanship, ain't bad at all from my eyes. And recoil was negligible with both loads; the combination of size, weight, barrel length and grip size/shape made it very comfortable to shoot. A very nice pistol that I'm going to enjoy being the caretaker of for a while.
Other stuff about the show
One dealer was selling Duracoat in all the various colors. I got a kit of matt black(bottle of resin and bottle of hardener, with instructions) to try out. I've got an air brush I can hook up to the compressor, so we'll see how this works out. If I get good results there are a number of things I can use it on.
I found a very nice powder measure that I'm going to get when I've got some money again. Weighing every charge on a stick powder like IMR4895 or 3031 or whatever can be a pain, but every measure I've tried doesn't work well with them; you have to throw a charge that's a bit light and then put it on the scale and and add powder to bring it up to weight. This measure was dropping very consistent charges with a large, coarse stick powder( I can't remember which one offhand) with no cut grains.
There were a lot of old double-rifles out there, in calibers from .450 on up. Some absolutely beautiful examples of the gunmakers art, marred only by the fact I'd have had to sell my house to afford any of them.
Overall a very good show. I will make a suggestion if you're going to it: if you plan on buying much of anything and spending the day/s, take some kind of cart. I borrowed a suitcase cart(the kind that folds up) and used a bungee cord to hold a small storage bin on it and it was VERY nice to have. Among other things it lets you carry a couple of bottles of water and some munchies along.
Now that I've mostly recovered(yeah, I'm a wimp) and have some time, the basic would be that the Wanenmacher show is a very, very nice show. They advertised about 3900 tables, and I believe it. Guns, parts, accessories, tools, knives, more tools & parts, books and surplus gear. Unlike last year I didn't stock up on ammo, though I picked up a few bits & pieces there. Mostly I was looking for parts for the M1 Carbine receiver, some replacement screwdriver bits and other things like that.
On the Carbine, every part you can think of was indeed available, but I've got to say this: the price of GI-production barrels is officially insane. I saw one Inland barrel (in very good shape externally but a bullet would slip into the muzzle all the way to the case) priced at $350. If the damn thing was new in the wrapper, maybe; no way in hell it was worth near that much in that condition. Some others were anywhere from $150-250, with much less muzzle wear. I'd hoped to find an Inland barrel to go with the receiver, but at those prices it ain't gonna happen.
Now to the find: I'm now the owner of a Webley Mk VI revolver
chambered for the, as Kim puts it, manly .455 Webley cartridge.Unfortunately, yes, the cylinder is cut, but that's the big reason I could afford it; those with uncut cylinders run about twice what I paid for this one. The bore is bright with very strong rifling, the barrel & frame lock up without any play or slop, and the cylinder locks up like a bank vault. I saw one other for a bit less, but the barrel/frame lockup wasn't as tight as this one.
Monday was partly devoted to detail-stripping this and cleaning and lubing. I've torn down/helped with several Enfield and Webley revolvers, and the thing they all had in common was being dry inside, no trace of any lube. Cleaned and oiled(greased where appropriate) they've all proven to have smooth actions and light, clean single-action triggers(in those pistols that had single-action capability). And it's a very simple design inside. In the case of the Mk VI, the 'V' mainspring delivers power to the hammer and rebounds the trigger; the only other springs are one in the cam that works the ejector and the one that tensions the single-action sear. A very robust design.
Sights are a front post that's locked into the base with a screw(I've seen sight blades marked for the range they were sized for) and a wide 'V' rear that's actually part of the barrel latch. It should be noted that they did make target versions of this pistol which had adjustable rear sights.
Last couple of days I've done more research on this cartridge, which included finding this page of British revolver cartridge data if you want the entire rundown. Short version, this cartridge originally fired a 265-grain bullet of 12 parts lead and 1 part tin loaded to 700 fps. That, I would say, would leave a mark. There were several modifications over time, and at the time this pistol was made the standard was a flat-nose hollow-base bullet at about 650fps. One thing I'd like to note is that in 1898 this cartridge was produced with 'Thomas Webley's patented man-stopping bullet'
cast in 12 parts lead to 1 part tin. Now THAT would leave a mark. The record notes:Patented by Thomas Webley in 1897. It had a conical cavity in the nose which was to aid expansion, and the outer radius (of the nose) was slightly chamfered to aid initial penetration. This design was meant to increase stopping power when non-vital parts of the body was hit. It appears to have worked too, as the Mk III round was withdrawn from service because of it´s "over-effectiveness". I would tend to wonder, how can a combat bullet be 'over-effective'? In any case, that hollow base would also let the bullet swage out to fit the bore, which would help explain the reputation for accuracy of this pistol/cartridge.
I mentioned the cylinder was cut. At the start of WWII, when the Brits were desperate for any firearm that would go bang a lot of these were dug out of the armories for use. However, there was a shortage of the ammo for them, and no way to take manufacturing capacity from other cartridges to make them. So, since they could get lots of .45acp ammo from us, the cylinders/extractors had a little milled off the back; this made enough room for .45acp in spring-steel clips to be used. Accuracy suffered as the bullet of our .45 was of a bit smaller diameter, but it worked. So now it's not easy to find either a pistol with or an uncut cylinder alone, and the prices are high.
Fast forward, and a lot of these revolvers are on the market. You can shoot them with .45acp and clips, but if you don't want to do that there was a problem: .455 Webley ammo or brass was hard to get and expensive. Answer to this was to create the .45 Auto Rim, basically the acp case with a very thick rim
Auto Rim case on the left here. The rim engages the extractor properly, and the thickness fills in the space for the clip.
So you can set up to shoot it, but there's still a problem, the different bullet diameters. Which means not only is a standard .45acp bullet too small but the case is a bit smaller in diameter, too. I wanted to give this one a try before I wrote this so I did the same thing as I did for the .380 Enfield revolver: cast the bullet and don't size it, just lube with Lee Liquid Alox. I cast some 230-grain ball and 200-grain flat-nose, and this method gave me bullets of .455 in the ball and .453 in the flat-nose. I dug up some load information and put these in the Auto Rim cases with a suitable charge of Unique and this morning took it to the range.
Note: I've read everything from "It's perfectly safe to shoot with standard .45acp ball" to "You're a fool if you shoot it with .45acp". I've got a bunch of full-moon clips, and I'll use them with handloads kept to about the same pressure-velocity levels as the original cartridge, but mostly I plan to use the Auto Rim cases to load this.
Overall a very smooth action with, as I said, a clean and light single-action pull. I couldn't set up the chronograph so I'll have to check the velocity of the loads later. I boiled down to this: first target was fired single-action at about fifteen yards with the 200-grain loads:
(the hole an inch south & a bit east should be ignored; yes, there is a reason)
The second target was fired double-action at seven yards with the 230-grain loads, all fired in about five seconds:
Overall, I'm very happy with this thing. These groups in a dimly lit range with sights designed for fast acquisition, not precise marksmanship, ain't bad at all from my eyes. And recoil was negligible with both loads; the combination of size, weight, barrel length and grip size/shape made it very comfortable to shoot. A very nice pistol that I'm going to enjoy being the caretaker of for a while.
Other stuff about the show
One dealer was selling Duracoat in all the various colors. I got a kit of matt black(bottle of resin and bottle of hardener, with instructions) to try out. I've got an air brush I can hook up to the compressor, so we'll see how this works out. If I get good results there are a number of things I can use it on.
I found a very nice powder measure that I'm going to get when I've got some money again. Weighing every charge on a stick powder like IMR4895 or 3031 or whatever can be a pain, but every measure I've tried doesn't work well with them; you have to throw a charge that's a bit light and then put it on the scale and and add powder to bring it up to weight. This measure was dropping very consistent charges with a large, coarse stick powder( I can't remember which one offhand) with no cut grains.
There were a lot of old double-rifles out there, in calibers from .450 on up. Some absolutely beautiful examples of the gunmakers art, marred only by the fact I'd have had to sell my house to afford any of them.
Overall a very good show. I will make a suggestion if you're going to it: if you plan on buying much of anything and spending the day/s, take some kind of cart. I borrowed a suitcase cart(the kind that folds up) and used a bungee cord to hold a small storage bin on it and it was VERY nice to have. Among other things it lets you carry a couple of bottles of water and some munchies along.
Tuesday, October 24, 2006
Two things tonight
And I promise that tomorrow I'll write about the gun show. In this case that should be Gun Show.
First, from across the Atlantic, maybe this will finally get them to understand why we treated the Kings taxmen so nastily:
Council tax inspectors will be given the right to enter homes and fine householders who refuse to cooperate under a new property revaluation scheme, the Conservatives claimed last night.
They accused ministers of "covertly" pushing through new laws that would give the inspectors power to levy fines of up to £1,000 to back up a revaluation that could see council tax bills soar.
The new powers are due to be rubber-stamped today by a little-noticed committee of MPs dealing with delegated legislation reforming the domestic rating system in Northern Ireland.
And from the sorry excuses for journalists we have running around we get this about the CNN snuff video:
Hunter's fury over the video underscores the tightrope often walked by news media in the war. Critics of the war say Americans see very little of the daily violence in Iraq because of television's reluctance to show gory footage. Dangerous conditions also keep journalists from reporting independent of military units that provide them protection.
Don't you just love it? These are the little bastards who don't want to write about it when our troops stomp bad guys or treat sick & injured locals, they don't EVER want to write about the truly heroic actions of many troops, but the put out this crap and then excuse it with "But we're walking a tightrope, here! People need to SEE the carnage!" Worthless little shits don't worry about showing the 'carnage' of our people busting ambushes or whacking terrorists who say that murdering teachers and children is doing their gods' work, but by their god we HAVE to see this garbage.
We need a hunting season on CNN.
First, from across the Atlantic, maybe this will finally get them to understand why we treated the Kings taxmen so nastily:
Council tax inspectors will be given the right to enter homes and fine householders who refuse to cooperate under a new property revaluation scheme, the Conservatives claimed last night.
They accused ministers of "covertly" pushing through new laws that would give the inspectors power to levy fines of up to £1,000 to back up a revaluation that could see council tax bills soar.
The new powers are due to be rubber-stamped today by a little-noticed committee of MPs dealing with delegated legislation reforming the domestic rating system in Northern Ireland.
And from the sorry excuses for journalists we have running around we get this about the CNN snuff video:
Hunter's fury over the video underscores the tightrope often walked by news media in the war. Critics of the war say Americans see very little of the daily violence in Iraq because of television's reluctance to show gory footage. Dangerous conditions also keep journalists from reporting independent of military units that provide them protection.
Don't you just love it? These are the little bastards who don't want to write about it when our troops stomp bad guys or treat sick & injured locals, they don't EVER want to write about the truly heroic actions of many troops, but the put out this crap and then excuse it with "But we're walking a tightrope, here! People need to SEE the carnage!" Worthless little shits don't worry about showing the 'carnage' of our people busting ambushes or whacking terrorists who say that murdering teachers and children is doing their gods' work, but by their god we HAVE to see this garbage.
We need a hunting season on CNN.
Why I dislike Tony Blair
Here's one of the ways
Tony Blair called yesterday for the national DNA database to be expanded to include every citizen.
...
The Criminal Justice and Police Act 2001 permitted police to retain DNA samples from everyone who was charged. Previously they had to destroy samples and fingerprints from anyone who was found not guilty or had their charge dropped.
The Criminal Justice Act 2003 gave police the power to take and keep a DNA sample.
...The DNA database could be a vital tool in the fight against crime but the terms of its use must be properly laid down and approved by Parliament.
"There is no provision to deal with people who have a DNA sample taken, are innocent of any crime but still remain on the database," said Mr Green.
And Blair says Mr Blair said he did not believe there was "any problem" with the public providing samples because if they had committed a serious offence they "should be convicted". The database sent a "strong signal" to the criminal community that they could be identified and caught from even the smallest trace at a crime scene.
Ok, first: apparently Blair has been watching CSI: Wherever after saying that 'smallest trace' crap. Second, it's a logical next step for Blair & Co.; they think the government should control all parts of your life. Third, don't you just love the logic? "You might someday do something wrong, so we're going to keep samples of you around. And if it turns out you were arrested in error, we'll keep all samples; never know when someone like you will do something".
Last excerpt: Downing Street said later that no thought had been given at this stage to requiring everyone to give a DNA sample, although they will have to give scans of their eye and fingerprints for a passport and eventually a national identity card. I call bullshit on this; no thought had been given my ass. They've been planning for and pushing this for years. The fact that they'll lie about it even now says all you need to know about their intentions.
Tony Blair called yesterday for the national DNA database to be expanded to include every citizen.
...
The Criminal Justice and Police Act 2001 permitted police to retain DNA samples from everyone who was charged. Previously they had to destroy samples and fingerprints from anyone who was found not guilty or had their charge dropped.
The Criminal Justice Act 2003 gave police the power to take and keep a DNA sample.
...The DNA database could be a vital tool in the fight against crime but the terms of its use must be properly laid down and approved by Parliament.
"There is no provision to deal with people who have a DNA sample taken, are innocent of any crime but still remain on the database," said Mr Green.
And Blair says Mr Blair said he did not believe there was "any problem" with the public providing samples because if they had committed a serious offence they "should be convicted". The database sent a "strong signal" to the criminal community that they could be identified and caught from even the smallest trace at a crime scene.
Ok, first: apparently Blair has been watching CSI: Wherever after saying that 'smallest trace' crap. Second, it's a logical next step for Blair & Co.; they think the government should control all parts of your life. Third, don't you just love the logic? "You might someday do something wrong, so we're going to keep samples of you around. And if it turns out you were arrested in error, we'll keep all samples; never know when someone like you will do something".
Last excerpt: Downing Street said later that no thought had been given at this stage to requiring everyone to give a DNA sample, although they will have to give scans of their eye and fingerprints for a passport and eventually a national identity card. I call bullshit on this; no thought had been given my ass. They've been planning for and pushing this for years. The fact that they'll lie about it even now says all you need to know about their intentions.
Sunday, October 22, 2006
Remember I wrote about the attacks on police in France?
I noted the article spoke of 'intensifying attacks'. I just took a quick look at Gates of Vienna and found this post, When Will the First IED Explode in Paris?. Here's a key quote:
The figures are stark. An average of 112 cars a day have been torched across France so far this year and there have been 15 attacks a day on police and emergency services. Nearly 3,000 police officers have been injured in clashes this year. Officers have been badly injured in four ambushes in the Paris outskirts since September. Some police talk of open war with youths who are bent on more than vandalism.
112 cars a DAY? EVERY DAY this year? Almost three thousand injured cops, including outright ambushes?
This isn't 'going bad', this is flat out of control.
The figures are stark. An average of 112 cars a day have been torched across France so far this year and there have been 15 attacks a day on police and emergency services. Nearly 3,000 police officers have been injured in clashes this year. Officers have been badly injured in four ambushes in the Paris outskirts since September. Some police talk of open war with youths who are bent on more than vandalism.
112 cars a DAY? EVERY DAY this year? Almost three thousand injured cops, including outright ambushes?
This isn't 'going bad', this is flat out of control.
I'm back
Tired and hungry and thirsty and my legs are killing me; boots or no, spending that much time walking around on concrete is not good.
I can't honesty say I was there the entire time. I left not quite an hour early Saturday to avoid the rush, and about a half-hour early today; otherwise, two days of the biggest gun show you'll ever see. Approximately 3900 tables according to what I read.
I'll put more up about it later, right now I need to put things away and get a drink.
I can't honesty say I was there the entire time. I left not quite an hour early Saturday to avoid the rush, and about a half-hour early today; otherwise, two days of the biggest gun show you'll ever see. Approximately 3900 tables according to what I read.
I'll put more up about it later, right now I need to put things away and get a drink.
Friday, October 20, 2006
A piece on the Oklahoma City Bombing case
KTOK had this today: FBI documents reveal how the government had reported contact with the Southern Poverty Law Center and its alleged undercover operative at Elohim City before the Oklahoma City bombing, even though SPLC director Morris Dees denies any such knowledge of an operation.
They've got audio links on their on-air report, and the interview with Dees, who's apparently playing Sgt. Schultz and 'knows NOTHING!'. Yet we read His denial came Thursday in an interview with KTOK news. Yet the FBI memos released last year to Salt Lake City attorney Jess Trentadue in a Freedom of Information request contain dozens of references to the SPLC and its role in an undercover operation aimed against the white supremacists at Elohim City, a right wing compound frequented by bomber Tim McVeigh and others.
In a 1993 news conference in southeast Oklahoma, Dees talked of Tim McVeigh and Elohim City. Yet in Oklahoma City this week, he said he 'knew zip about Elohim City'.
I haven't had any respect for Dees for a long time; he's one of the people who was really pushing "The militias are coming!" crap in the 1980's, and whatever he may once have been he's a standard issue-hustling lawyer now. There's been a lot of stuff in the past reports on this, and this would further seem to show Dees is not telling the truth about this. Which makes me wonder what else he's not being forthcoming about in connection with this.
They've also got a link to the memos themselves.
They've got audio links on their on-air report, and the interview with Dees, who's apparently playing Sgt. Schultz and 'knows NOTHING!'. Yet we read His denial came Thursday in an interview with KTOK news. Yet the FBI memos released last year to Salt Lake City attorney Jess Trentadue in a Freedom of Information request contain dozens of references to the SPLC and its role in an undercover operation aimed against the white supremacists at Elohim City, a right wing compound frequented by bomber Tim McVeigh and others.
In a 1993 news conference in southeast Oklahoma, Dees talked of Tim McVeigh and Elohim City. Yet in Oklahoma City this week, he said he 'knew zip about Elohim City'.
I haven't had any respect for Dees for a long time; he's one of the people who was really pushing "The militias are coming!" crap in the 1980's, and whatever he may once have been he's a standard issue-hustling lawyer now. There's been a lot of stuff in the past reports on this, and this would further seem to show Dees is not telling the truth about this. Which makes me wonder what else he's not being forthcoming about in connection with this.
They've also got a link to the memos themselves.
In case Kim can't get to it, here's a Righteous Shooting
Masked Man Meets Match, or as I would put it, "Don't (bleep) with the ladies".
Dirtbag enters liquor store and demands money from 84-year old lady as owners wife walks in. "My wife told him his ski mask was crooked, she can't stand things like that, and to get on the other side of the counter and she'd give him the money," said Bob Almond, owner of the liquor store who was at home at the time.
"He told her he was going to blow her heart out," Almond said. "She's just had a triple bypass, and she told him it wasn't very good anyway." Ever heard a nicer way of telling someone to kiss your ass?
Sheila Almond opened the cash register to get the money and pulled out a .38 revolver and shot the robber in the shoulder. He continued to go for the money.
When the shot didn't slow the assailant down, Almond got reinforcements. She told an employee to "Bring her Baby, that's what we call the shotgun," her husband said.
Sheila Almond then shot the robber in the abdomen.
If you ain't cheering, what's wrong with you?
Guy Wade Buck, 50, was flown to a Texarkana hospital and remains in critical condition, according to OSBI.
And just to top it off? The gun turned out to be a plastic air gun, OSBI officials said.
I know, he's not dead. At least not yet. But he definately counts as stomped on.
Dirtbag enters liquor store and demands money from 84-year old lady as owners wife walks in. "My wife told him his ski mask was crooked, she can't stand things like that, and to get on the other side of the counter and she'd give him the money," said Bob Almond, owner of the liquor store who was at home at the time.
"He told her he was going to blow her heart out," Almond said. "She's just had a triple bypass, and she told him it wasn't very good anyway." Ever heard a nicer way of telling someone to kiss your ass?
Sheila Almond opened the cash register to get the money and pulled out a .38 revolver and shot the robber in the shoulder. He continued to go for the money.
When the shot didn't slow the assailant down, Almond got reinforcements. She told an employee to "Bring her Baby, that's what we call the shotgun," her husband said.
Sheila Almond then shot the robber in the abdomen.
If you ain't cheering, what's wrong with you?
Guy Wade Buck, 50, was flown to a Texarkana hospital and remains in critical condition, according to OSBI.
And just to top it off? The gun turned out to be a plastic air gun, OSBI officials said.
I know, he's not dead. At least not yet. But he definately counts as stomped on.
Well, I'm cleaned out for the weekend
Physically, due to lunch. I was taking care of some things and since I was nearby decided to try a Thai restaurant on 23rd near the capitol. By the time lunch was over I'd gone through about 1/4 of a tree in napkins to blow my nose and wipe off my face. No, not with the same napkins. If you asked me what I had I'd have to reply "Uh, vegetables and meat cooked together" because nothing was labeled. I have discovered two things about Thai cooking:
Yes, some of it IS that hot, and
Damn, it was good.
Happily, the first place I hit after that was the library, which has a bathroom, because my system informed me of the need to purge itself. I don't think it etched the porcelain in the bowl, but I didn't look all that close.
Speaking of hot, apparently I raise wussy habanero chilis. The plant I had last year and this one both. Don't get me wrong, they're hot, and they add a wonderful flavor to things, but they're more 'good hot jalapeno' hot than "I'm comin', Elizabeth!" hot. I mean, habaneros are supposed to be 'eat one and you could blow Andrew Sullivan and not have to worry about social diseases' hot, and these aren't. Not that I'd want to do that in any case.
These were just labeled 'habenero', so the places that carry them here may have the mild-to-standard level chilis instead of the 'death to the gringos' varieties. I'll have to check next spring and maybe order some of the more WMD variety to see how they come out.
Yes, some of it IS that hot, and
Damn, it was good.
Happily, the first place I hit after that was the library, which has a bathroom, because my system informed me of the need to purge itself. I don't think it etched the porcelain in the bowl, but I didn't look all that close.
Speaking of hot, apparently I raise wussy habanero chilis. The plant I had last year and this one both. Don't get me wrong, they're hot, and they add a wonderful flavor to things, but they're more 'good hot jalapeno' hot than "I'm comin', Elizabeth!" hot. I mean, habaneros are supposed to be 'eat one and you could blow Andrew Sullivan and not have to worry about social diseases' hot, and these aren't. Not that I'd want to do that in any case.
These were just labeled 'habenero', so the places that carry them here may have the mild-to-standard level chilis instead of the 'death to the gringos' varieties. I'll have to check next spring and maybe order some of the more WMD variety to see how they come out.
Thursday, October 19, 2006
So much for 'free speech' in Britain
If there was any doubt left: Man convicted for anti Muslim banner
A protest in London against the publication of a cartoon depicting the prophet Mohammed as a terrorist incensed an Aberporth man, who painted an anti-Muslim slogan on a white sheet and draped it over his garden fence.
The words in bold red paint stated: "Kill all Muslims who threaten us and our way of life. Enoch Powell was right." Harshly put, but his opinion, right?
Yeah, for which he was arrested and prosecuted for 'religiously aggravated disorderly conduct'.
He had some good questions for the court, I think:
And referring to MP Jack Straw questioning whether Muslim women should wear face veils he asked: "Are you going to arrest him?"
When prosecutor Maggie Hughes pointed out that the banner did not mention extremists Mathewson said: "That's what I meant by those who threaten us and our way of life.'"
Adding that during the protest in London a Muslim was dressed as a suicide bomber he asked: "Why was he not arrested?"
As to who complained, it was a neighbor. Why?
One of his neighbours, a retired Army officer with 23 years service, told the court he reported the matter to the police because he feared a visit from Muslim extremists.
...
"This could have come to the attention of Islamic extremists, and we could have had a visitation," he said.
There it is, nice and simple and out front: If you upset the muslims they may come here and burn down the place. And kill us.
Prosecute the muslims who demand death for anyone who offends them? Good Lord, no, what kid of racist are you? But say something that might upset their tender feelings? Off to jail with you, sir; we don't allow that kind of thing here.
I think the term is 'travesty of justice'.
Additional: I forgot to note the words of the magistrate: Finding Mathewson guilty presiding magistrate Anne Rees said she and her colleagues felt the words on the banner were likely to cause someone distress, and they did not find it as reasonable.
Oh, God, words that might 'cause distress', that an official 'doesn't find reasonable...
A protest in London against the publication of a cartoon depicting the prophet Mohammed as a terrorist incensed an Aberporth man, who painted an anti-Muslim slogan on a white sheet and draped it over his garden fence.
The words in bold red paint stated: "Kill all Muslims who threaten us and our way of life. Enoch Powell was right." Harshly put, but his opinion, right?
Yeah, for which he was arrested and prosecuted for 'religiously aggravated disorderly conduct'.
He had some good questions for the court, I think:
And referring to MP Jack Straw questioning whether Muslim women should wear face veils he asked: "Are you going to arrest him?"
When prosecutor Maggie Hughes pointed out that the banner did not mention extremists Mathewson said: "That's what I meant by those who threaten us and our way of life.'"
Adding that during the protest in London a Muslim was dressed as a suicide bomber he asked: "Why was he not arrested?"
As to who complained, it was a neighbor. Why?
One of his neighbours, a retired Army officer with 23 years service, told the court he reported the matter to the police because he feared a visit from Muslim extremists.
...
"This could have come to the attention of Islamic extremists, and we could have had a visitation," he said.
There it is, nice and simple and out front: If you upset the muslims they may come here and burn down the place. And kill us.
Prosecute the muslims who demand death for anyone who offends them? Good Lord, no, what kid of racist are you? But say something that might upset their tender feelings? Off to jail with you, sir; we don't allow that kind of thing here.
I think the term is 'travesty of justice'.
Additional: I forgot to note the words of the magistrate: Finding Mathewson guilty presiding magistrate Anne Rees said she and her colleagues felt the words on the banner were likely to cause someone distress, and they did not find it as reasonable.
Oh, God, words that might 'cause distress', that an official 'doesn't find reasonable...
Sometimes is a phrase in the report that's most important
A lot of people have written about the attacks on the police in France by gangs of youths, mainly of North African descent. Well, I found an article in the Telegraph titled 'Crisis talks over gang attacks on police. Here's the line that I think is important:
amid news that gangs of youths, mainly of North African descent, were intensifying attacks on police.
Key words: intensifying attacks. Which acknowledges that attacks have been ongoing and are getting worse. The article describes something that's happening more and more, an organized ambush of police.
Next step? They'll start using the weapons they've been holding back with. And they've got them. There was an article about two years ago about the developing problems of how islamic groups were stealing luxury cars and smuggling them to eastern Europe to sell, in some cases taking weapons- from rifles to machine guns to RPGs- as payment and then using those back 'home' in France to commit robberies. From that and other sources they've got serious weapons, the question is why haven't they used them yet?
At a guess, they're not ready to take on the national government. Yet. So they hold back the more aggressive groups, either with words or by keeping the arms from them for now. And when they think they are ready, then there'll be open guerilla warfare in the streets. Which could mean that incidents like that noted in the article aren't just an attack on the police, they're a training exercise.
Which means that I hope Kim's reports on stores in France are correct, because they're likely to need them.
amid news that gangs of youths, mainly of North African descent, were intensifying attacks on police.
Key words: intensifying attacks. Which acknowledges that attacks have been ongoing and are getting worse. The article describes something that's happening more and more, an organized ambush of police.
Next step? They'll start using the weapons they've been holding back with. And they've got them. There was an article about two years ago about the developing problems of how islamic groups were stealing luxury cars and smuggling them to eastern Europe to sell, in some cases taking weapons- from rifles to machine guns to RPGs- as payment and then using those back 'home' in France to commit robberies. From that and other sources they've got serious weapons, the question is why haven't they used them yet?
At a guess, they're not ready to take on the national government. Yet. So they hold back the more aggressive groups, either with words or by keeping the arms from them for now. And when they think they are ready, then there'll be open guerilla warfare in the streets. Which could mean that incidents like that noted in the article aren't just an attack on the police, they're a training exercise.
Which means that I hope Kim's reports on stores in France are correct, because they're likely to need them.
The World Council of Churches sticks its fat behind out again
and farts out this mess. One of the warning signs:Secondly, some civil society organizations have called for a moratorium on nanotech research and new commercial products until such time as laboratory protocols and regulatory regimes are in place to protect workers and consumers, and until these materials are shown to be safe. Emphasis mine.
I think that's called the 'precautionary principle': everything must be proven 'safe' before it's allowed. And it's one of the most idiotic and dangerous concepts around. How the hell do you prove something 'safe'? Especially when the people in charge can change the definition as it suits them? That alone is a recipe to destroy research.
And here's the kicker: The international community must create a new United Nations body with the mandate to track, evaluate and accept or reject new technologies and their products through an International Convention on the Evaluation of New Technologies (ICENT).
So a bunch of socialists who want to destroy research also want the UN to be in control of new tech and products? Surprise, surprise. And say goodbye to progress.
I think it was Poul Anderson(correction: Kevin reminds me it was Jerry Pournelle) wrote some books in the 60's that involved the CoDominium; basic idea was that the Soviets and us had divided everything up- in the name of 'stability'- and had- also in the holy name of stability- restricted all research: anyone found doing 'military-related' research without a government permit went to prison. And surprise, surprise, technology began to stagnate because when you really look at it almost anything could be said to be 'military-related'. So if you didn't have government approval you could find yourself arrested for doing research into whatever if some bureaucrat decided you'd violated the law, and if you go the permit it meant having a watcher over your shoulder every moment to see if you somehow violated those rules.
That's what the Euroweenies and luddites and Council of Churches wants, government weenies- from the UN no less- watching scientists for any sign of not holding to the precautionary principle or doing 'non-approved' research so they can control all research AND what 'products' are allowed to the peasants.
I think that's called the 'precautionary principle': everything must be proven 'safe' before it's allowed. And it's one of the most idiotic and dangerous concepts around. How the hell do you prove something 'safe'? Especially when the people in charge can change the definition as it suits them? That alone is a recipe to destroy research.
And here's the kicker: The international community must create a new United Nations body with the mandate to track, evaluate and accept or reject new technologies and their products through an International Convention on the Evaluation of New Technologies (ICENT).
So a bunch of socialists who want to destroy research also want the UN to be in control of new tech and products? Surprise, surprise. And say goodbye to progress.
I think it was Poul Anderson(correction: Kevin reminds me it was Jerry Pournelle) wrote some books in the 60's that involved the CoDominium; basic idea was that the Soviets and us had divided everything up- in the name of 'stability'- and had- also in the holy name of stability- restricted all research: anyone found doing 'military-related' research without a government permit went to prison. And surprise, surprise, technology began to stagnate because when you really look at it almost anything could be said to be 'military-related'. So if you didn't have government approval you could find yourself arrested for doing research into whatever if some bureaucrat decided you'd violated the law, and if you go the permit it meant having a watcher over your shoulder every moment to see if you somehow violated those rules.
That's what the Euroweenies and luddites and Council of Churches wants, government weenies- from the UN no less- watching scientists for any sign of not holding to the precautionary principle or doing 'non-approved' research so they can control all research AND what 'products' are allowed to the peasants.
Wednesday, October 18, 2006
Differential tempering
Something I don't think I've mentioned before is differential tempering. I have mentioned hardening this way, where- as shown by the line on that blade- you only bring part of the blade up to critical temperature. I've always done large blades this way, and some small ones.
There is another way to get this effect, by doing the tempering from the back of the blade with some heat source that bleeds heat into the blade from that point only. This way you wind up with the cutting-edge area hard with the area further back being softer and tougher, more flexible.
Four ways to do this, all starting with a blade that has been fully hardened, then polished so the surface is smooth and shiny. This has to be done in a place with good light so you can see the colors moving through the blade(which is why this method sucks with either stainless or some highly alloyed steels; the colors don't show the same or don't correspond to temp the same way) and a container of either water or oil handy to cool it off at the right time.
First is to use a heavy block of steel or iron, or a heavy rod, brought up to a high temperature. You hold the blade with tongs and lay the back of it on the block. You'll need to move it back & forth to keep the heating even and not let it get too hot near the point. You keep working it and watching the color, and as the chosen color/hardness approaches the edge you quench it.
Second is to put a piece of heavy steel pipe over the forge, say 8-12" long and 4-6" diameter, cut in half lengthwise. The idea is the fire heats the pipe and you work the back of the blade over it.
Third is to use a torch. Use a fine flame you can work along the back of the blade, again watching the colors as you go.
Fourth involves a torch also, but with a different method. In this case you temper the blade in the oven to desired hardness, then set it up in a shallow pan of water with the edge beneath the surface. I've used hemostats and vise-grips to hold one in place for this, they allow a fair amount of adjustment of angle, plus can help stabilize the piece so it doesn't fall over.
When it's set up, you work the torch along the back. You still need to watch the colors- don't want to get the back too soft- but unless you're using a very shallow pan and an oxy-acetylene torch it's almost impossible to draw the temper of the edge down too much.
All work, all have their drawbacks. The torch is simpler, but it's real easy to get an area too hot. If you catch it in time you can quench the piece, then shine it back up & start over.
The block & pipe methods are slow, but you're a bit less likely to overheat the piece that way.
Any of these methods, you need to temper at least twice and preferably three times; it makes for the most even result. All will give you a blade with a hard edge and a softer, tougher back.
There is another way to get this effect, by doing the tempering from the back of the blade with some heat source that bleeds heat into the blade from that point only. This way you wind up with the cutting-edge area hard with the area further back being softer and tougher, more flexible.
Four ways to do this, all starting with a blade that has been fully hardened, then polished so the surface is smooth and shiny. This has to be done in a place with good light so you can see the colors moving through the blade(which is why this method sucks with either stainless or some highly alloyed steels; the colors don't show the same or don't correspond to temp the same way) and a container of either water or oil handy to cool it off at the right time.
First is to use a heavy block of steel or iron, or a heavy rod, brought up to a high temperature. You hold the blade with tongs and lay the back of it on the block. You'll need to move it back & forth to keep the heating even and not let it get too hot near the point. You keep working it and watching the color, and as the chosen color/hardness approaches the edge you quench it.
Second is to put a piece of heavy steel pipe over the forge, say 8-12" long and 4-6" diameter, cut in half lengthwise. The idea is the fire heats the pipe and you work the back of the blade over it.
Third is to use a torch. Use a fine flame you can work along the back of the blade, again watching the colors as you go.
Fourth involves a torch also, but with a different method. In this case you temper the blade in the oven to desired hardness, then set it up in a shallow pan of water with the edge beneath the surface. I've used hemostats and vise-grips to hold one in place for this, they allow a fair amount of adjustment of angle, plus can help stabilize the piece so it doesn't fall over.
When it's set up, you work the torch along the back. You still need to watch the colors- don't want to get the back too soft- but unless you're using a very shallow pan and an oxy-acetylene torch it's almost impossible to draw the temper of the edge down too much.
All work, all have their drawbacks. The torch is simpler, but it's real easy to get an area too hot. If you catch it in time you can quench the piece, then shine it back up & start over.
The block & pipe methods are slow, but you're a bit less likely to overheat the piece that way.
Any of these methods, you need to temper at least twice and preferably three times; it makes for the most even result. All will give you a blade with a hard edge and a softer, tougher back.
Tempering
In this case I had several small blades to do, so I hardened them at the same time as this one. Two heats and quenches each. After they were all done and cooled off, I scrubbed them all with a good grease-cutting soap and put them in the oven at 375F and left them there for about 45 minutes. I always do this before any grinding/polishing; a quenched blade at full hardness can be amazingly brittle. So I give them a heat at a temp low enough to take the very edge of hardness off but not go beyond that point.
After that time I set them out to cool. Once cool I hit them with the belt sander to clean and shine up the surface. Then back into the oven at 375 again. Yeah, I just did that. Just in case the thermostat is off a bit I give them that heat again for 30 minutes. Note that these are small blades, for large and/or thick ones I'd give them a full hour. Then pull them out and check the color. It looks like it should, a barely-there yellow on these steels, I up the temp to 400 and put them back in for a half hour. With these blades that generally gets them where I want.
This is about the best I could get to show what I like for a blade like this, a medium to dark bronze color. With this steel that is hard enough to hold an edge well in use, not hard enough to chip or crack in use and not a big pain to sharpen
It depends, of course, on the use. Something like a throwing knife you'd want to temper down a lot more to a spring, probably somewhere around 450-500 and a dark purple/light blue(again, depending on steel). Something for fine cutting you want to stay sharp and don't mind taking time to touch up when it dulls, you can leave some at 375 for the temperature.
In any case, after the first full temp heat you set it out until it cools to ambient temperature, then back in the oven. Repeat until it's had three heating/cooling cycles at the chosen temperature, and after the last just turn the oven off and leave it in there until cold.
That should get the blade to a nice, even hardness.
After that time I set them out to cool. Once cool I hit them with the belt sander to clean and shine up the surface. Then back into the oven at 375 again. Yeah, I just did that. Just in case the thermostat is off a bit I give them that heat again for 30 minutes. Note that these are small blades, for large and/or thick ones I'd give them a full hour. Then pull them out and check the color. It looks like it should, a barely-there yellow on these steels, I up the temp to 400 and put them back in for a half hour. With these blades that generally gets them where I want.
This is about the best I could get to show what I like for a blade like this, a medium to dark bronze color. With this steel that is hard enough to hold an edge well in use, not hard enough to chip or crack in use and not a big pain to sharpen
It depends, of course, on the use. Something like a throwing knife you'd want to temper down a lot more to a spring, probably somewhere around 450-500 and a dark purple/light blue(again, depending on steel). Something for fine cutting you want to stay sharp and don't mind taking time to touch up when it dulls, you can leave some at 375 for the temperature.
In any case, after the first full temp heat you set it out until it cools to ambient temperature, then back in the oven. Repeat until it's had three heating/cooling cycles at the chosen temperature, and after the last just turn the oven off and leave it in there until cold.
That should get the blade to a nice, even hardness.
And more from gun-free "We banned the nasty things" Britain
Girl, 14, accused of supplying machine guns
She was charged with possessing two revolvers, a Mac-10 machine gun and a second machine pistol.
A 16-year-old male youth was also accused of possessing a revolver with intent to endanger life, as well as drugs and CS sprays.
Well, so much for 'we banned them'.
An internal police report, revealed by the Observer newspaper on Sunday, painted a grim picture of the surge in gang warfare and "post-code killings" in London.
The report focuses on Hackney, where father-of-two Steven Nyembo-Ya-Muteba was murdered outside his home two weeks ago after asking a gang of youths to be quiet.
...
It says gun and knife crime in the north-east London borough is increasing more rapidly than anywhere in the capital.
The report, written by Superintendent Leroy Logan, highlights the "terrible acts of gratuitous violence" that have afflicted the area, "ending up in young people losing their lives or being badly injured, because they were visiting the area and were known by the local violent youth, showing the serious implications of district code warfare".
You think maybe?
She was charged with possessing two revolvers, a Mac-10 machine gun and a second machine pistol.
A 16-year-old male youth was also accused of possessing a revolver with intent to endanger life, as well as drugs and CS sprays.
Well, so much for 'we banned them'.
An internal police report, revealed by the Observer newspaper on Sunday, painted a grim picture of the surge in gang warfare and "post-code killings" in London.
The report focuses on Hackney, where father-of-two Steven Nyembo-Ya-Muteba was murdered outside his home two weeks ago after asking a gang of youths to be quiet.
...
It says gun and knife crime in the north-east London borough is increasing more rapidly than anywhere in the capital.
The report, written by Superintendent Leroy Logan, highlights the "terrible acts of gratuitous violence" that have afflicted the area, "ending up in young people losing their lives or being badly injured, because they were visiting the area and were known by the local violent youth, showing the serious implications of district code warfare".
You think maybe?
"Don't make me kill you on a Friday"
That was one of the things an armed robber and murderer-to-be told a travel agent in Britain.
Mr Khokar, 28, a Muslim, said that Shah later announced: “I’m going to walk out of here with the money and I’m going to kill someone as well. Don’t make me kill you on a Friday.” He explained to Newcastle Crown Court that Friday was “the day of worship for every Muslim, a day of worship and a day of rest.”
Within minutes of issuing his threat, it is alleged that Shah — with two accomplices — left the premises and fired two shots from close range, hitting two unarmed women police officers who were outside the travel agents in Bradford, West Yorkshire.
So the holy day should not be sullied with murder- unless it's a cop about to arrest you- but armed robbery is just peachy. Ol' Muhammed would be proud.
Mr Khokar, 28, a Muslim, said that Shah later announced: “I’m going to walk out of here with the money and I’m going to kill someone as well. Don’t make me kill you on a Friday.” He explained to Newcastle Crown Court that Friday was “the day of worship for every Muslim, a day of worship and a day of rest.”
Within minutes of issuing his threat, it is alleged that Shah — with two accomplices — left the premises and fired two shots from close range, hitting two unarmed women police officers who were outside the travel agents in Bradford, West Yorkshire.
So the holy day should not be sullied with murder- unless it's a cop about to arrest you- but armed robbery is just peachy. Ol' Muhammed would be proud.
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