to decide who's ALLOWED to own what?
My daughter gave her daddy a gun for his birthday. As a law-abiding citizen he went to transfer ownership. Ten days later a letter arrived from the Department of Justice — transfer denied, stated my husband is a felon and he can’t have fire arms. Shock: He knew he was not a felon, had bought and registered guns for years, and now that department states that he is a felon since 1972 and can’t have any guns.
My husband called the Department of Justice. No, they could not tell him what his crime was or anything about it. They could only talk to him about it if he brought up what the crime was first. As he did not know what his crime was, he could not tell them and they refused to give him any information. Their answer was he would have to go to the police department and pay to have a Live Scan or copy of his record done. He did that. Three week later, still no answers.
Numerous calls with NO help from the boobs, until
One month later panic is about to set in, as hunting season is getting close. Another interesting piece of information: He bought his hunting license and deer tag before he tried to transfer that gift from our daughter. No problem, it was issued without the slightest objection.
One more final phone call to the Department of Justice stating we were going to hire an attorney. So, interesting, they now said, “Oh sorry. Someone made a mistake. You are not a felon. No we have not sent you a copy of your record (that we paid for). No, we won’t send you a letter saying you’re not a felon but we have flagged your file and you should not have any further problems.”
What is going on when a government agency can write a letter stating, “You are a felon, you may not have guns, no we won’t tell you what you did, but you’re guilty until you prove different?” Then, when we did not back off, “Gee, sorry. Guess you are not a felon, but we won’t put it in writing.”
What you have is what Californicated decided was a great idea; and this is one of the results.
And personally, I'd either record the conversation(with proper notice, of course) or DEMAND a letter("Or the lawyer gets involved and we go after you on all of this") from these clowns, because if they could 'make an error' like this once....
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It took me nine months, two sets of finger prints and multiple conversations with FBI first and ultimately ATF to resolve a denied firearm transfer.
And no, FBI will not tell you what they are denying you for. I had to submit them finger prints and then go from there.
and that my friends, iswhy when i have spare change and there is an opportunity, I acquire what I can , when I can... I have duplicates, but then I have chilren and they will have the opportunioty to inherit these items. I work for the government, I know how errors are made and how they are solved, without anyone taking the burden of blame. Molon Labe
I suspect strongly that "we can't tell you what the crime was" is because of some "privacy" law or other.
After all, on the phone, you can't prove you're you, and there's probably some law saying "you can't tell anyone about someone else's criminal record, because it might hurt their feelings".
Good intentions, stupid results. Typical lawmaking.
Why is it that the "privacy" rules always seem to work as arse cover for bureaucrats? and never stops them gathering more info on you to then loose, leak or misuse.
I've even run up against "can't do that for privacy reasons" when I was trying to pay the M50 toll. Of cause the ammount due doubles every few days so they have a vested interest in making paying a pain for occasional users.
Sigivald, I'd imagine the reson for 'not on the phone' is privacy law(and I agree); when he's submitted stuff in writing through the PD and STILL can't get anything from them, it's either incompetence or deliberate troublemaking.
What privacy concerns??? Felony convictions are public record.
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