Sunday, July 05, 2015

From Ayoob again, if involved in a self-defense shooting:

Step One: Establish The Active Dynamic
The justice system tends to see the man who got hurt or the one who made the initial complaint as the victim, and the person who inflicted that harm or the one complained about as the perpetrator. The man who tried to murder you is now lying in a puddle of blood looking very much like a victim. You, with your smoking gun, look a lot like a perpetrator. It is therefore imperative that you establish from the beginning that he is the one who tried to violently victimize you. It is vital that you call 911 immediately, give your location and tell them that you’ve been attacked and that the perpetrator is down.

and the last:
Step Five: Offer Full Cooperation After Speaking With Counsel
There are many reasons experts recommend against participating in a detailed interrogation in the immediate aftermath of a near-death experience, when you are most likely shaken. For one thing, investigators will ask questions as they occur to them, and their notes later will create the false sense of you narrating events in that sequence, which is likely not the actual sequence. In “answer the question” mode, if the right questions aren’t asked, your failure to mention certain things can be seen later in court as “he must have made that up later.” Police are advised by their unions not to go into great detail in the immediate wake of such crises. Get the important points across at the scene—“He attacked me. His accomplice got away, but here’s his description.” The rest can wait until later. Various experts recommend 24, 48 or even 72 hours to get your recollections in order. The authoritative Force Science Institute recommends at least one full sleep cycle before submitting to detailed interrogation.

Have to tell a story: acquaintance was a cop for many years.  There was a messy shooting at a pharmacy, and in the end- due to the last thing he did- the pharmacist wound up being charged and convicted for homicide.  Cop mentioned at one point "Y'know, if he'd just shut up and let his lawyer do the talking, he'd probably never even have been charged."


2 comments:

Dan said...

" There was a messy shooting at a pharmacy, and in the end- due to the last thing he did- the pharmacist wound up being charged and convicted for homicide. Cop mentioned at one point "Y'know, if he'd just shut up and let his lawyer do the talking, he'd probably never even have been charged."

We see this type of outcome because the 'system' doesn't give a rats ass about justice, only about the boxscore, about the conviction rate, about sending SOMEONE, ANYONE to prison.

And ANYONE who thinks the popo are going to allow them a 'full sleep cycle, or '24, 48 or even 72 hours' before grilling them is an idiot. The ONLY people allowed to decide when, where and IF they will submit to questioning are the badgemonkeys who have the power of their union behind them. If the badgemonkeys decide YOUR ASS is going to answer questions RIGHT THAT EFFING MINUTE then that is what's going to happen and if you fail to cooperate they will tack on a few more charges...like obstruction. The system does not give a shit about ANYONE except those who work
for the system.

Anonymous said...

NEVER TALK TO COPS!!!! NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER!!!! That's what the lawyer is for. People who talk to cops go to prison. The police don't "file charges" the DA's do. You have THE RIGHT to remain silent and talk to no one but your lawyer. USE IT.