tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515829.post301398341489484958..comments2024-03-28T11:07:52.205-07:00Comments on Irons in the Fire: I think I froze some brains at Brownell'sFirehandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04562365951182027709noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515829.post-64828895375328392362014-09-10T13:17:58.059-07:002014-09-10T13:17:58.059-07:00You'll likely need to relieve the extractor ho...You'll likely need to relieve the extractor hook as well, given that the .30-30's rim is slightly thicker.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08271697105934618782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515829.post-49380653291507502662014-09-10T12:48:56.973-07:002014-09-10T12:48:56.973-07:00Yeah, the recessed bolt face is more problematic, ...Yeah, the recessed bolt face is more problematic, but it is only about a fifteen thousandths cut on the lathe to add the wiggle room to a recessed bolt face.SordidPandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00657526230826604643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515829.post-51589217209443818532014-09-09T20:09:12.412-07:002014-09-09T20:09:12.412-07:00AM: That particular Mauser might have had a genero...AM: That particular Mauser might have had a generous bolt face. I wouldn't guarantee that experiment would work with a different example. <br /><br />Come to think of it, it probably didn't hurt that the M98 bolt face has an open bell-shaped cut to allow the cartridge rim to funnel up under the extractor hook during feeding. The narrow-body of the .30-30 case in the .308 chamber likely gave it enough wiggle room for the wider rim to sit off-center on the breechface. An AR-10 or Remington 700 bolt isn't going to give you that possibility.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08271697105934618782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515829.post-66212991074864646672014-09-09T14:55:19.217-07:002014-09-09T14:55:19.217-07:00The rim diameter is the same enough that an M98 ch...The rim diameter is the same enough that an M98 chambered in 308 Win can load a 30-30 and fire it. The guy did that three times, and only on the third time did a case split.<br /><br />The other two were fire formed to say the least.<br /><br />I think Mike McCabe still has the pictures, it was one of his clients that did that.SordidPandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00657526230826604643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515829.post-84671890368720162912014-09-09T10:58:18.950-07:002014-09-09T10:58:18.950-07:00Is someone even suggesting that the .303 Lee-Enfie...<i>Is someone even suggesting that the .303 Lee-Enfield, rimmed cartridge, is not a serious weapon?</i><br /><br />It's not a serious design in the <i>modern sense</i>, no.<br /><br />It's seriously powerful, and a top-ranked weapon of <i>its era</i>.<br /><br />(Likewise the Mosin-Nagant, also using a rimmed cartridge.<br /><br />Which, note, everyone abandoned the second people stopped loading from strippers and using replaceable magazines.<br /><br />There are <i>reasons</i> for this.)Sigivaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16152366541957466049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515829.post-6455680435758222062014-09-08T16:22:50.342-07:002014-09-08T16:22:50.342-07:00The manufacturer of the AR-types in 6.5x55mm and 7...The manufacturer of the AR-types in 6.5x55mm and 7.5x55mm was Luvo Prague.<br /><br />http://www.luvo.cz/products/rifles/LA-11-200.htmlAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08271697105934618782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515829.post-19856518622917919732014-09-08T16:17:32.986-07:002014-09-08T16:17:32.986-07:00AM: The rim diameter is not the same. The .30-30...AM: The rim diameter is not the same. The .30-30 rim runs closer to 0.506", versus ~0.473" for the .308 Win. The only member of the .30-30 case family that has a ~0.473" rim is the .225 Winchester.<br /><br />For those who mentioned the .303 British, it would likely be too long for the AR-10 magazine, but the rim should be close enough to use the same bolt as the .300 WSM/.300 RSUM variants. <br /><br />I seem to remember reading about a European AR-type manufacturer that was building rifles in 6.5x55mm Swede and 7.5x55mm Swiss. You have folks here in the US offering .30-06, .300 Win Mag, and .338 Lapua AR variants.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08271697105934618782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515829.post-81663544988228398662014-09-08T15:17:31.375-07:002014-09-08T15:17:31.375-07:00It is a totally doable project. Both rounds have a...It is a totally doable project. Both rounds have a 51 mm case length, and the same rim diameter. You can fire a 30-30 from a 308 Win Chamber, but the body will often split in the fire forming process. <br /><br />The problem will come from loading rimmed cartridges from a magazine. Not a problem if you single load with a single load follower.<br /><br />But, I'm pretty sure that a custom 5 round magazine would be doable.SordidPandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00657526230826604643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515829.post-19119966083279383582014-09-08T15:04:28.847-07:002014-09-08T15:04:28.847-07:00Now there would be one! Set up a PSL or AR10 for ...Now there would be one! Set up a PSL or AR10 for .303!Firehandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04562365951182027709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515829.post-45628503777143506872014-09-08T15:02:40.736-07:002014-09-08T15:02:40.736-07:00Is someone even suggesting that the .303 Lee-Enfie...Is someone even suggesting that the .303 Lee-Enfield, rimmed cartridge, is not a serious weapon?prairie gopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18215420940970189864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515829.post-66563392570448245582014-09-08T14:41:11.608-07:002014-09-08T14:41:11.608-07:00"Why? Because I can!"
Besides the gener..."Why? Because I can!"<br />Besides the general "You're firing WHAT in that?", here's my thoughts:<br />Ammo available anywhere.<br />With handloading can use pointed bullets anywhere from 110 to 170 grains.<br />With Leverevolution powder and bullets, that's a 160-grain bullet at equal velocity to 7.62x39.<br /><br />On the magazines, I'm thinking do it the way the Romanian PSL does: about 1/3 up from the back of the lips there's a cutout in each; you push the rimmed base down there and then back; that way each cartridge rim is in front of the one below. Works for them, should work for this.Firehandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04562365951182027709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515829.post-31913164724736300672014-09-08T14:28:15.215-07:002014-09-08T14:28:15.215-07:00.300WSM looks like maybe the biggest, and is at le....300WSM looks like maybe the biggest, and is at least larger than .30-30, a bit.<br /><br />Don't know how you're going to feed .30-30 out of the magazines, though, with those rims; there's a reason all the serious mag-fed designs are rimless.<br /><br />(For that matter, custom mags might be needed, and ... that's just no fun.)Sigivaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16152366541957466049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8515829.post-51284222142013221262014-09-08T14:25:28.774-07:002014-09-08T14:25:28.774-07:00Not trying to be a dink or a snark, Firehand...but...Not trying to be a dink or a snark, Firehand...but my question to that is...why?<br /><br />The gun wanks around here proclaime the .30-30 is ballistically similar to the 7.62x39...<br /><br />Dammit, my brain just vapour locked too!!! :)<br /><br />If you do go forward post a range report, will ya?Glen Filthiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03256741311142364722noreply@blogger.com